dat er een geld wordt verdiend,ok maar ze proberen een slaatje uit de natuur te slaan,dat allemaal ten koste van de natuur.walgelijk gewoon,ben in staat er naar toe te fietsen. en ze allemaal,een koekje van eigen deeg te geven.
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Hallo,
WK;je kan als je iets meer betaald net iets ruimer zittenmaar ze proberen een slaatje uit de natuur te slaan,dat allemaal ten koste van de natuurThe proof of the pudding is in the eating
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juist serinus , we spreken dezelfde taal.
we bedoelen hetzelfde te zeggen.
kijk dat van dat scharreleitje was maar een voorbeeld, kippen eieren krijg ik van de boer hier verderop, zijn van die kippen die zo vrij rond lopen dat je er wel eens voor moet remmen.
uhh krijgen,nou is het zo dat elke ei wat ik vind in het vrije grasveld dat mag ik meenemen,zijn smakelijke eitjes hoor,heb wel eens een supermarkt eitje geproefd ,nou laat maar................
is wel leuk hoor want als ik trek heb in een eitje dan ga ik ff wandelen met de hond of met mijn dochter en kom thuis met het aantal eitjes wat ik nodig heb, de andere laat ik leggen voor andere mensen,dat is de onderlinge afspraak ,men mag pakken wat men nodig heeft.
mvg
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WK en Serinus ik denk dat jullie het snel met elkaar eens zouden zijn en
dat een gereguleerde import een enorme verbetering zou zijn is iedereen in onze sector het mee eens. Helaas de mensen om ons heen niet.
Op dit moment is het voor een groot gedeelte symboolpolitiek (al is de import stop op wildvang vogels er niet gekomen ter bescherming van die soorten, maar onder het mom van gezondheid en bescherming van de bio industrie (vogelgriep) ) En laat die bio industrie nu een van de grootste gevaren voor onze biodiversiteit zijn. Maar zolang mensen niet bereid zijn om meer voor vlees te betalen of om minder vlees te eten, zal hier niks aan gedaan worden.
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Ha, ha,
Leuke discussie. Zolang iets genoeg geld opbrengt is er altijd wel iemand die daar zijn "voordeel" mee zal doen, hoe dan ook. Leuk van die eitjes rapen wk. En smakelijk ook nog. Ik krijg ook wel eens van die natuur geproduceerde eitjes, een wereld van verschil is dat. Zowel van smaak als kleur.
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Hello Africanserin,
Nice to see you on this Dutch-spoken forum!
I added these two videos just for the purpose you mention here above.
Info!
After this, a discussion took place about the pro and contra of exporting/importing life birds.
And, as always, there are people pro and contra in a discussion......
For what it is worth; I am glad you placed these video's on You Tube!
Also the video's of your lemon breasted canary, I admire very much.
And my opinion is that the birds, shown in this video, are not worse treated as "dutchbred" canary's who are exported all over the world.
Greetings from the Netherlands, Serinus.The proof of the pudding is in the eating
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it's nice to have you on board
many dutch or belgian people write in dutch , but they are not understanderbel .
we can say that your english writing is mutch more understaderbel than the words they wrote.
so don't be shy en speak/write with a open mind.
there are always people who are pro or against ,that fact is a global thing.
with kind regards
wren
als: I've tried to open your website,but can't open it.
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I do agree that the transport in Europe or even here in the Netherlands is not a great deal better. But what I also believe is that these birds are only cought and sold because the people have no money and need this to survive. Over here nobody would allow people to catch and sell the wild birds to other countries. That's because we do have enough money. My problem is that people in rich countries make people in poor countries sell all they have, even their wildlife. They already sold everything else. Now they even sell their birds.
That's what bothers me a lot. The people over there don't even understand the concept of a cagebird for fun. They just know that there is money to make by catching and selling their wildlife. I'm disgusted that we as developed country even want to buy the wildcought birds that belong to a country that has nothing more than tourism and it's wildlife. We already deprived them of their other natural resources and now we try to steal all their animals so we can look at them for fun behind steel bars. I do hope that the world will see in time what the effects are of just removing parts of an ecosystem for al few dollars. In the end nobody is better. Only a few big bird dealers and the people who bought their birds and still have some of the survivors in their cages. The people in these clips just make a few dollars. You can also see who buys the birds and who will make money. All the money from this trade leaves Africa. That's a big problem. The money AND the birds leave Africa.
It's not a coincidence that the wild bird trade is almost as lucrative as dealing in drugs. Birds are the new drugs and people will go as far as stealing the last Hyacint macaw from it's jungle turf to sell it to a big drugdealer in South America to show off with. That disgusts me. The serins in this clip all go to people that don't have a lot of understanding for these birds. The marked is just fine at the moment. Anyone who wants to buy a Serinus mozambicus just has to go to a breeder. The wildcaught birds are just to fill up the small steel cages in living rooms. We want a tropical bird in our house. Just for fun. How funny is life for a 2 year old wildcaught bird in a little cage in front of the window. It won't die beceause it has food and water. But that's it for the bird.
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I also have to add that at the time we imported huge numbers of birds it had to do. But no, even millions of birds was not enough to create a captive population that could sustain itself. It will never be enough as long as these natural resources are being depleted. As long as there is a way to just steal the birds from the wild nobody will do a serious effort to breed and sustain these birds in captivity. That bothers me al lot. People now speak about regulated imports from Africa. Only a few to keep the species in captivity. Why want new birds? We imported millions already. That was not enough? I now want to breed lavender waxbills so I bought as many as I could. Yes, soms are wild caught I think. But I never paid a dealer, birdcatcher or trader in birds for my birds. So I do not feel responsible. I know a lot of people think that me keeping birds makes me just as responsible as the people buying and trading in wild birds. I just don't agree with that because no money of mine ever went in the pocket of a bird dealer. No bird of mine ever was replaced by a wild bird. So I do feel that me keeping birds has nothing to do with depleting wild populations. I do have wild birds probably but these were birds I bought from people that wanted to stop keeping birds and my birds are leftovers.
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Marx
Mag ik je adviseren je eerst goed te laten informeren voordat je iets stelt.
The people over there don't even understand the concept of a cagebird for fun.
Only a few big bird dealers and the people who bought their birds and still have some of the survivors in their cages. The people in these clips just make a few dollars. You can also see who buys the birds and who will make money. All the money from this trade leaves Africa.
Je kunt het ook omdraaien, zij willen hun natuurlijke rijkdommen exploiteren en jij bent daar tegen! Een vorm van kolonialisme??
It's not a coincidence that the wild bird trade is almost as lucrative as dealing in drugs
Anyone who wants to buy a Serinus mozambicus just has to go to a breeder.
The wildcaught birds are just to fill up the small steel cages in living rooms. We want a tropical bird in our house. Just for fun. How funny is life for a 2 year old wildcaught bird in a little cage in front of the window. It won't die beceause it has food and water. But that's it for the bird.
Doet ook vaak dingen waarvan ervaren kwekers hun wenkbrouwen fronsen.
Bedenk verder even hoe het leven van een vogel in het wild het heeft!
Het overlevingsratio is veelal net iets meer dan 1,2
Nogmaals ik ben tegen de masale import, een andere opzet zou beter zijn.
Maar bedenk ook dat deze niet de achteruitgang teweeg brengt maar het verdwijnen van habitat.
Graag verder kijken dan dat je neus lang is.
@ Africanserin thanks for sharing info and clips
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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door MarxI now want to breed lavender waxbills so I bought as many as I could. Yes, soms are wild caught I think. But I never paid a dealer, birdcatcher or trader in birds for my birds. So I do not feel responsible.
Sorry webmaster moest het even kwijt.
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